I’ve just purchased a 1942 stamped Lee Enfield rifle which has a number 93L8939. I assume it’s a Canadian longbrance, but I am a bit confused as a web post puts this serial number around 1950? Also the number on the receiver has been ground off. Trombone serial numbers. Lee-Enfield production at Enfield, BSA and LSA appear to have also started with the number 1, through letter suffixes and prefixes, so it is possible to encounter these rifles from various makers with same serial numbers.

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Last Ditch MQC: Beginner's Guide to Buying a Lee Enfield

Ok, so I want to start off by saying that this is simply an entry level guide to buying these rifles (hence “Beginner's Guide”). I am going over nothing particularly comprehensive, nor will I really go into the history of anything. I also won’t really be going over the less common variants, such as the Long Lees, early carbines, and sniper rifles, since this is a beginner’s guide. I also have very little experience with buying Long Lees and whatnot, so I do not feel like I have the credibility to discuss the matter.

Some basics

First thing to cover is basic fundamentals of purchasing a used gun. You know, check the bore, the condition of the wood, overall condition of the metal, how the action is, and bring a dummy round to make sure the chamber is how it should be.

Next thing I want to address is one of the basic Enfield buying rules that /u/Caedus_Vao taught me, and that is the $300 Rule: If it’s in good condition, matches, $300 is a solid deal. If it’s a tad bit more, keep in mind that a lot of people selling used guns (individuals or dealers) are willing to negotiate on shit like this. If they won’t wiggle, and if the Enfield is nice and matching, don’t be afraid to pay more than $300. I recently purchased two Lee Enfields, a Fazakerly No.4 Mk.2, and a Savage No.4 Mk.I. I paid $375 and $500, respectively, but I feel I did well on those purchases, especially on the latter.

I always consider nice old guns as investments, assuming you buy them for the right price. You may not buy them for that purpose, but they are no longer being made, and there is always a market for them, so the prices are only going to go up. As /u/R_Shackleford would tell you, even something as cheap as a Mosin would be a decent investment, seeing a 50-75% gain in value in the past three or four years. The price you buy the gun at and the price it could be potentially sold at are two things I always consider when buying a C&R gun, which is why I pretty much only buy my guns below market value. Buying at market value isn’t a bad thing either, since like I said, prices on milsurps will only rise, but if you sell within the year, don’t expect an immediate return. Also, who doesn’t like to buy things at a lower price? Buying overpriced items however, is something that I avoid at all costs, and you shouldn’t buy overpriced shit, whether you want a shooter, or if you want to collect/invest in stuff. There will always be a better deal somewhere, so be patient.

Be patient and don’t be afraid to walk. Don’t rush yourself into buying a Lee Enfield because you really want one and demand the immediate satisfaction. You will regret that. Take your time, do your research, know what you want, and shop around. If you’re trying to negotiate with someone and they won’t budge, and the price is more than you would like to pay, just say no; you aren’t losing out on anything for doing so.

Matching serial numbers

Matching serial numbers is always a plus. For someone very new to the milsurp market, a lot of guns like Mosins, various Mausers and clones, Lee Enfields, Lugers, etc, will have certain parts with serial numbers that should match the receiver’s serial number. On Lee Enfields, there are various places to look:

1. The receiver. On No.4’s the serial number will be on the left side of the wrist, and sometimes on the left receiver wall. On SMLE’s, the serial number will be on the front and right side of the receivers, by the barrel.

2. The rear of the bolt handle.

3. On SMLEs, the nosecap will be serial’d as well.

4. The magazine. Sometimes, magazines were not numbered from the factory, especially on No.4’s, so if you don’t see a serial number on one, don’t panic. The magazine serial number will either be on the spine of the magazine, or the bottom of the magazine.

5. The foreend will sometimes be numbered as well, but there are plenty of them that don’t have numbers. Like the magazines, especially on No.4’s, having no number on the wood is fine.

6. Barrels will often be serial’d as well. Sometimes they don’t, and will just have the barrel manufacturer and year on them.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with non matching rifles, but from a standpoint of collector’s value, they don’t carry much weight. I would never pay more than $275 for a non matching rifle, although if it was the magazine, I don’t make too big of a fuss. A No.5 Mk.I is the one exception I will make, but even then, I probably won’t pay more than $350 for one. If do just want a shooter or a woods gun, a non matching rifle will be fine. Non matching is also a great point to use when negotiating price.

Manufacturers

There are many many manufacturers that you will potentially run into, and you can check these by looking on the right or left side of the wrist, or the left receiver wall. Mk.III and Mk.III*’s will typically tell you on the right side of the wrist who made it. On rifles like No.4 and No.5’s, you may be left up to manufacturer codes/markings, so I’ll give you those. I’ll also give you what manufacturer made what (within the limits of this post).

RSAF Enfield - SMLE Mk.III and Mk.III* - ENFIELD, EFD, D (with a little line in it), UE

ROF Fazakerly - No.4 Mk.I, Mk.2, Mk.½, Mk.⅓, No.5 Mk.I - ROF(F), FY, F, UF

ROF Maltby - No.4 Mk.I - ROFM, OFM, RM, M

Birmingham Small Arms Company (BSA) - SMLE Mk.III, Mk.III* - BSA Co, BSA & M Co, M47A

BSA Shirley - No.4 Mk.I, Mk.½, No.5 Mk.I - B, M47, M47C, 85B, BS, UB

London Small Arms Co (LSA) - SMLE Mk.III, Mk.III* - LSA Co.

Longbranch - No.4 Mk.I, Mk.I* - LONGBRANCH, L with a B in it, L prefix serial number, C with a little A in it

Savage Arms Co - No.4 Mk.I, Mk.I* - S, S in a box, C prefix serial number

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Ishapore - SMLE Mk.III, Mk.III*, 7.62 2A - RFI, GRI, IS, ID - I do want to say something about Ishapores. There seems to be this stigma against Ishapore rifles, and how they are allegedly lower quality than others. I would like to say that is blatantly false. Pre independence rifles (pre-1947) were all subject to strict British manufacturing standards and quality control, and even post independence, the quality control from the factory and government were very good. They may look hideous because of all of the suncorite (thick black paint that looks like tar) slathered on the rifles to protect them from India’s environment, but they are every bit as good as their British counterparts.

Pakistan Ordnance Factory - No.4 Mk.I, Mk.2 - POF

So now, at last, I’ll go over the models, and pricing.

Most SMLE’s will look like this, with the full mannlicher style stock, the bulldog esque nose cap, and the rear sight protectors.

Actual Mk.IIIs are actually pretty hard to find now, or at least examples with the Mk.III features, and have not been updated to Mk.III* spec. An original and true Mk.III will have four key features that will distinguish it from a Mk.III*: magazine cutoff, volley sights, a rear sight adjustable for windage, and a stacking swivel on the nose cap. Rear sights adjustable for windage are pretty rare, as are volley sights, as those were the first two features to get scrapped during war time. I wouldn’t say magazine cutoffs are exactly rare, but they are fairly uncommon. Nose caps machined for stacking swivels really aren’t uncommon, and they are sometimes even featured on Mk.III*’s.

For a Mk.III with any ONE of those features (except the stacking swivel), I would pay $350-400 (kinda low), assuming it’s matching, and in decent condition. For any combination of those parts, or all of them on a rifle, a rifle should be fetching $500+, again, condition pending. Of course, for a Mk.III with none of those features, it has just as much value as a Mk.III*, so $300 rule.

No magazine cutoff, no windage adjustable rear sight, no volley sights, and maybe you’ll find a stacking swivel. These are exceedingly more common than Mk.III’s. Pretty bland. Check condition, check to see if numbers match, $300 rule, but I wouldn’t mind doing $350 for a nice one.

For both Mk.III and Mk.III*s, you may find wire wrapped rifles intended for launching rifle grenades, and those MAY fetch more than regular SMLEs, going for $350-400, but still apply the $300 rule if possible. More if the grenade launching cup comes with it.

You’ll see these rifles fairly often out there, probably more so than an SMLE (at least in my experience). These are most commonly identified by having “No.4 Mk.I” written on the left wall of the receiver, the receiver mounted rear sight, usually having a large battle aperture, and an elevation adjustable smaller aperture (200-1300yds), the exposed end of the barrel, and a bolt release tab under the rear sight on the right side of the receiver. Most No.4 rifles will typically look like this.

Lee Enfield Serial Number 173c

One of the more notable things you should be looking for is a milled Mk.I micrometer rear sight. They are much better looking, more precise, and resemble a greater care for quality in No.4’s. You’ll usually see these in early war and post war rifles. Here is a picture from Ian Skennerton’s book to help you identify the other shitty stamped sights you will find.

You may also run into two different types of barrels: a Mk.I and a Mk.II barrel. The Mk.I is the typical five groove Enfield barrel, and the Mk.II is the two groove bore. People like to bad mouth the Mk.II for being inferior to the Mk.I, but the Mk.II was tested with Mk.VII ball, and it was determined that the accuracy with the standard issue Mk.VII was effectively identical the the Mk.I barrel. There is nothing wrong with either. If someone like /u/CoyoteBrown says otherwise, call him a faggot, especially if it’s /u/CoyoteBrown. Another nice thing to have a No.4 Mk.I is the GRIPZONE™ on the lower handguard, being largely an early war feature.

If you see a Savage or Longbranch No.4 Mk.I, and you can get it for <$700, you fucking buy it. Savage only made about 120k, and Longbranch about 7-8k. These are rare and desirable rifles. If you’re lucky, most dumbasses won’t be able to tell, or won’t give a shit about the significance/rarity, of a Savage or LB No.4 Mk.I over a Mk.I*, so if you do see one for sale, try to play it dumb and snag that bitch.

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$300 rule applies, but you’re going to be cutting it close. People will typically sell these for $300-400, and if you’re paying $400+, it better be a pristine fucking No.4 Mk.I.

These rifles were only produced by Savage Arms and Longbranch Arsenal. As the * would suggest, the Mk.I* was a cost cutting rifle that was adopted due to the lower cost and shorter manufacturing time. These rifles are easiest identified by “No.4 Mk.I*” being stamped on the left side of the receiver wall, just like where No.4 Mk.I would have its markings. Savages will typically have a C prefix serial number, and Longbranches will typically have an L prefix serial. Mk.I*’s also have a cutout in the bolt guide rails to remove the bolt, and lack the bolt release tab beneath the rear sight. These rifles will also usually have shitty stamped sights, and lack the GRIPZONE™.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with Mk.I*’s, but the simple truth is that collector’s value is not that high for these. Most will typically sell (and rightfully so) in the $300 ballpark, so use that rule.

The biggest between these rifles, and the Mk.I series is that the trigger is hung from the receiver instead of the trigger guard. This helped alleviate some accuracy issues in the rifles. You’ll usually be able to tell a Mk.2 from a Mk.I by the screw that goes across the rear of the stock from end to end. Mk.½’s are Mk.I’s that were updated to the hung trigger, and Mk.⅓’s are Mk.I*’s that were updated to the hung trigger. With both those rifles, you’ll typically see the original manufacturer stamp on the left side of the receiver being crossed out and the new designation stamped on it.

These rifles will typically have the five groove barrels and milled rear sights. Furniture will usually either be beech or walnut, and I really think the light blonde beech wood contrasts the heavy black paint really well on these rifles.

Mk.2 and Mk.½ pricing should be very similar to Mk.I pricing, but Mk.2’s tend to be in better condition than Mk.I and Mk.½’s, so they will usually sell for more. In fact, most Mk.2’s I’ve seen tend to be in absolutely fabulous condition, looking like they’ve never been used (and they probably weren’t, or at least that heavily).

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The Rifle No. 5 Mk I, was a derivative of the British Lee–Enfield No. 4 Mk I,^[3] designed in response to a requirement for a shorter, lighter, rifle for airborne forces in Europe. However most of its operational use was in post-war colonial campaigns such as the Malayan emergency - where it gained its common nickname of the 'Jungle Carbine'.

Production began in March 1944, and finished in December 1947.^[4]

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Military service[edit]

The term 'Jungle Carbine' was colloquial and never officially applied by the British Armed Forces,^[5] but the Rifle No. 5 Mk I was informally referred to as the 'Jungle Carbine' by British and Commonwealth troops during World War II and the Malayan Emergency.^[3]

The No. 5 was about 100 mm shorter and nearly a kilogram lighter than the No. 4 from which it was derived. A number of 'lightening cuts' were made to the receiver body and the barrel, the bolt knob drilled out, woodwork cut down to reduce weight and had other new features like a flash suppressor and a rubber buttpad to help absorb the increased recoil and to prevent slippage on the shooters clothing while aiming.^[6] Unlike modern recoil pads the No. 5 buttpad significantly reduced the contact area with the users shoulder increasing the amount of felt recoil of the firearm.According to official recoil tests the No. 4 rifle yielded 10.06 ft⋅lbf (13.64 J) free recoil energy and the No. 5 carbine 14.12 ft⋅lbf (19.14 J). Of the No. 5 carbine 4.06 ft⋅lbf (5.50 J) extra recoil energy 1.44 ft⋅lbf (1.95 J) was caused by adding the conical flash suppressor (muzzle shroud).^[7]The No. 5 iron sight line was also derived from the No. 4 marks and featured a rear receiver aperture battle sight calibrated for 300 yd (274 m) with an additional ladder aperture sight that could be flipped up and was calibrated for 200–800 yd (183–732 m) in 100 yd (91 m) increments.It was used in the Far East and other Jungle-type environments (hence the 'Jungle Carbine' nickname) and was popular with troops because of its light weight (compared to the SMLE and Lee–Enfield No. 4 Mk I rifles then in service) and general ease of use,^[8] although there were some concerns from troops about the increased recoil due to the lighter weight.^[3]

Due to the large conical flash suppressor, the No 5 Mk I could only mount the No. 5 blade bayonet, which was also designed to serve as a combat knife if needed.^[9]

A No. 5 Mk 2 version (or, more accurately, versions, as several were put forward) of the rifle was proposed (including changes such as strengthening the action to enable grenade-firing, and mounting the trigger from the receiver instead of on the trigger guard), but none of them was ever put into production and there was subsequently no No. 5 Mk 2 rifle in service.^[10] Similarly, a number of 'takedown' models of No. 5 Mk I rifle intended for Airborne use were also trialled, but were not put into production.^[11]

Wandering Zero[edit]

One of the complaints leveled against the No. 5 Mk I rifle by soldiers was that it had a 'wandering zero' — i.e., the rifle could not be 'sighted in' and then relied upon to shoot to the same point of impact later on.^[3] Such a condition is more accurately referred to as an inability to zero since the ability to return to a given of point of impact using a common point of aim is necessary to establish a 'zero' in the first place.

Tests conducted during the mid to late 1940s appeared to confirm that the rifle did have some accuracy issues, most likely relating to the lightening cuts made in the receiver, combined with the presence of a flash suppressor on the end of the barrel,^[12] and the British Government officially declared that the Jungle Carbine's faults were 'inherent in the design' and discontinued production at the end of 1947.^[13]

However, modern collectors and shooters have pointed out that no Jungle Carbine collector/shooter on any of the prominent internet military firearm collecting forums has reported a confirmed 'wandering zero' on their No. 5 Mk I rifle,^[3] leading to speculation that the No. 5 Mk I may have been phased out largely because the British military did not want a bolt-action rifle when most of the other major militaries were switching over to semi-automatic longarms^[3] such as the M1 Garand, SKS, FN Model 1949 and MAS-49. (Anecdotal evidence from shooters of military surplus firearms suggests that the wandering zero problem — if there is one — can be cured by free-floating the barrel and glass-bedding the action.)

Nonetheless, it has also been pointed out by historians and collectors that the No. 5 Mk I must have had some fault not found with the No. 4 Lee–Enfield (from which the Jungle Carbine was derived), as the British military continued with manufacture and issue of the Lee–Enfield No. 4 Mk 2 rifle until 1957,^[14] before finally converting to the L1A1 SLR.^[15]

No reports of wandering zero are explained by the inability to truly 'zero' the 'tangent sights' used on SMLE rifles and there also exist no reports or demonstrations of 'Jungle Carbines' maintaining or returning to 'zero'. The massive amount of barrel length removed from SMLE rifles as different 'marks' were developed could easily explain why the 'Jungle Carbine' has nothing like the reputation for accuracy and precision other 'marks' are praised for despite having the shortest, most-rigid and presumably the newest barrels available. Unless, of course, successive 'marks' of SMLE rifles are/were 'overhauled' rather than new production rifles with cleaning rod-worn muzzle rifling and crowns removed by 'cutting down' old barrels.

That each 'new' mark is/was at the least the same length as earlier rifles and often shorter by muliple inches at the expense of velocity, energy and - according to some who believe longer barrels are better - accuracy; and reductions in velocity would affect the calibration of 'tangent sights' suggests that 'Jungle Carbines' were and are a bridge too far in 'economically' overhauling old, hardly-fired but heavily-handled and excessively-cleaned rifles.

The most common cause of worn-out muzzles, crowns and rifling is daily cleaning of unused rifles with steel cleaning rods from the muzzle end. The British army and other 'Commonwealth' forces have never engaged in all-out, long-term ground warfare against 'professional' and well-equipped infantry forces despite 'conflicts' lasting years, decades or even longer and have had no opportunity to 'wear out' SMLEs in large quantities or they would not exist in such large numbers today. It's interesting to note how few 'early' SMLE rifles from pre-WWI exist, however.

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Post-war non-military conversions[edit]

Serial Number Idm Gratis

Though they did not invent the name, the designation 'Jungle Carbine' was used by the Golden State Arms Corporation in the 1950s and 1960s to market commercially sporterised military surplus Lee–Enfield rifles under the 'Santa Fe' brand.^[16] Golden State Arms Co. imported huge numbers of SMLE Mk III* and Lee–Enfield No. 4 rifles and converted them to civilian versions of the No. 5 Mk I and general sporting rifles for the hunting and recreational shooting markets in the US, marketing them as 'Santa Fe Jungle Carbine' rifles and 'Santa Fe Mountaineer' rifles, amongst other names.^[16]

This has led to a lot of confusion regarding the identification of actual No. 5 Mk I 'Jungle Carbine' rifles, as opposed to the post-war civilian sporting rifles marketed under the same name.^[3] The easiest way to identify a 'Jungle Carbine' rifle is to look for the markings on the left hand side of the receiver; a genuine No. 5 will have 'Rifle No 5 Mk I' electrostencilled there,^[17] while a post-war conversion will generally have either no markings or markings from manufacturers who did not make the No. 5 Mk I (for example, Savage or Long Branch).^[3] Santa Fe 'Jungle Carbine' rifles are so marked on the barrel.^[16]

Lee Enfield Serial Numbers

Companies such as the Gibbs Rifle Company and Navy Arms in the U.S. have produced and sold completely re-built Enfields of all descriptions, most notably their recent '#7 Jungle Carbine' (made from Ishapore 2A1 rifles) and the 'Bulldog' or 'Tanker' carbine rifles, which are also fashioned original SMLE and No. 4 rifles.^[18]

Notes[edit]

1. ^ipso-facto Productions (19 August 2009). 'Bougainville: Our Island, Our Fight Trailer' – via YouTube.
2. ^Skennerton (2007) p.244
3. ^ ^abcdefghWilson (2006)
4. ^Skennerton (2007), p.246
5. ^Skennerton (1994), p.5
6. ^Skennerton (1994), p.7
7. ^'Lee Enfield No.5 'jungle carbine''. forums.gunboards.com.
8. ^Skennerton (1994) p.7
9. ^Skennerton (2007), p. 406
10. ^Skennerton (2007) p.245
11. ^Skennerton (2007) p. 204
12. ^Skennerton (1994) p.8
13. ^Skennerton (1994), p.8
14. ^Skennerton (2007), p.559
15. ^Skennerton (2001), p.5
16. ^ ^abcSkennerton (2007) p.380
17. ^Skennerton (2007) p.499
18. ^Skennerton (2007), p.382

References[edit]

Lee Enfield Fazakerley Serial Numbers

• Skennerton, Ian (2007). The Lee-Enfield. Gold Coast QLD (Australia): Arms & Militaria Press. ISBN978-0-949749-82-6.
• Skennerton, Ian (1994). Small Arms Identification Series No. 4: .303 Rifle, No. 5 Mk I. Gold Coast QLD (Australia): Arms & Militaria Press. ISBN978-0-949749-21-5.
• Skennerton, Ian (2001). Small Arms Identification Series No. 12: 7.62mm L1 & C1 F.A.L. Rifles. Gold Coast QLD (Australia): Arms & Militaria Press. ISBN978-0-949749-21-5.
• Wilson, Royce (May 2006). Jungle Fever- The Lee-Enfield .303 Rifle. Australian Shooter Magazine.